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Super  National ID Card Passes House

Infowars.com | February 11, 2005

COMMENT

On the heels of passing the National ID  card  in  December,
the  House  has  passed  legislation radically expanding the
scope  of   the   Orwellian   ID   law.   From   Panamerican
standardization to DNA databases to targeting gun owners, it
is a nightmare and does nothing about  illegal  immigration.
On  the  heels  of passing the National ID card in December,
the House has passed  legislation  radically  expanding  the
scope   of   the   Orwellian   ID   law.   From  Panamerican
standardization to DNA databases to targeting gun owners, it
is a nightmare and does nothing about illegal immigration.

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House   votes  to  make  states  verify  license  applicants
(National ID)

AP  | February 10, 2005

Hoping  to  keep  drivers  licenses  out  of  the  hands  of
terrorists, the House voted Thursday make states verify that
applicants are U.S. citizens or legal immigrants.

Republicans pushed the measure through  on  a  261-161  vote
despite  protests  from  governors  and  state motor vehicle
departments that it would be too costly  and  would  require
them to take on the role of immigration officers.

The  bill  also  would  make  it easier for judges to deport
immigrants seeking political asylum if they think they might
be terrorists.


"Common  sense says we should not allow suspected terrorists
to be able to stay inside our borders  if  they  could  harm
us," said House Speaker Dennis Hastert.

The  measure was rejected by Congress and the White House in
December  as  part  of  a  bill  reorganizing   intelligence
agencies in response to flaws found after the Sept. 11, 2001
terrorism attacks. It was revived  with  newly  won  support
from the Bush administration.

"Today  there  are  over  350  valid drivers license designs
issued by the 50 states. We all know it's very difficult for
security  officials  at  airports  to tell the real ID cards
from the counterfeit ones," said the bill's  sponsor,  House
Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner.

Sensenbrenner,  R-Wis.,  said  the  new features that states
would have to include  on  drivers  licenses  would  prevent
terrorists  from  using them as IDs to board planes like the
Sept. 11 hijackers did.

Governors, state legislators and motor  vehicle  departments
have  all  argued  that requiring verification of background
information such as Social Security numbers  and  whether  a
person is in the United States legally would be burdensome.

The  National Governors Association and a group representing
motor vehicle department administrators said in a letter  to
House  leaders  that  the  measure  is  a  "massive unfunded
mandate."


Immigration bill sparks furor among some House  Republicans,
gun owners, and civil libertarians; Quietly breaking ranks


The Raw Story |  February 10, 2005

Controversial  new  legislation billed as immigration reform
has put  Congressional  Republicans  into  disarray  over  a
variety  of  reasons  ranging from Christian refugees to the
National ID card, RAW STORY has learned.

According to senior House aides, who spoke only on condition
of  anonymity,  several factions of the Republican Party are
up in arms over the Republican authored H.R. 418 or Real  ID
Act, scheduled to go to a floor vote today.

The  key  players,  according  the  aides,  are  Chris Smith
(R-NJ),  Ron  Paul  (R-Tex),  Lincoln  Diaz-Balart   (R-FL),
chairman  Sensenbrenner,  and a very conservative Republican
Congressman with strong ties to Falwell and Dobson.

Congressman Chris Smith, according to sources, is opposed to
the   Asylum   Provision  of  HR  418,  which  would  affect
Christians persecuted in other countries seeking  asylum  in
the  United  States. Smith did not return repeated calls for
comment.


Asylum Provision

Although Republicans are using terrorism as  the  motivation
for  strict asylum provisions, the current asylum laws in no
way applied  to  the  events  of  9/11,  since  all  of  the
terrorists  involved  were  in the United States legally and
not as refugees.


One  of  the  new  provisions  of  HR  418   would   require
individuals  seeking  refuge  in  the  U.S.  from repressive
and/or abusive regimes to provide documented proof of  their
persecution and/or abuse as well as the abusing governmentís
motivation.

ôCan you imagine a Christian living in the  Sudan  going  to
ask the government to provide the U.S. with Ďmotivationí for
persecuting Christians?ö one aide said. ôWhat do  you  think
would happen to that person?ö

How  religious  refugees  will  be  affected  by  the asylum
provision is a sore point for Congressman Smith, two sources
confirmed.  Sources  also  note  Rep. Diaz-Balartís concerns
about Cuban refugees being denied safe harbor in the U.S.

Barrier Fence Provision

One  section  of  the  bill  allows  the  Homeland  Security
Secretary to waive all federal, state, and local law for the
construction of ôbarriers,ö and is  viewed  by  some  as  in
direct opposition to the Constitution.

Primarily,  the  Secretary  would have discretion to suspend
environmental, eminent domain and labor laws. The  provision
is   worded,  however,  in  such  a  way  as  to  not  limit
construction to the  external  border  of  the  country  and
actually includes roads as ôbarriers.ö


Such  suspension  of  labor  laws  could affect child labor,
standards  of  compensation  and   safety,   any   and   all
compensation for the loss of property, adverse environmental
affects and any damages resulting from toxins.

One aide described a real world example.

ôImagine an illegal immigrant, a  child,  working  to  build
roads  on  your  property  while  spreading  dioxin into the
atmosphere,ö the aide said.

Sources on both sides of the  aisle  express  great  concern
over this particular provision.

One  Democratic  aide stated that ôthat moderate Republicans
have privately expressed concern over the possible  loss  of
the  Latino vote, backlash from unions, and the concern that
this in no way strengthens the border, a sentiment shared by
Congressman Paul with regard to the National ID card.ö

Provisions Affecting Civil Rights

The   bill  lays  out  the  groundwork  for  a  National  ID
card/driverís license program and how it is administered.

The  National  ID  card  provision  does  not   follow   the
recommendations of the 9/11 Commission and instead turns the
DMV worker into an INS worker.

On the surface, a centralized  national  database  for  past
criminal  records  such  as  DUIs  is  not an issue for most
Republicans and Democrats. What is of concern is the wording
of  the  provision  which  asks  the  state  to at ôminimumö
provide confirmation of documents of citizenship based on an
assessment by a DMV employee.


The  wording  is  such  that  it  opens  the  door  for  the
government to require anything from gun ownership records to
health records should the state demand them.

This provision, Congressional aides say, does not in any way
address  the  issue  of  terrorism  because  the  terrorists
responsible  for  9/11 were in the United States legally and
had legal driversí licenses. Further, 9/11  terrorists  were
given passports from the U.S. embassy in Saudi Arabia.

Republican  Congressman  Ron  Paul is among those vehemently
denouncing the ID card.

ôVery few people seem to see this as we do, as  a  precursor
to  something  very  bad, a domestic passport, a national ID
card to do the business of life in America, to get a job, to
travel,ö  said  Rep.  Paulís press secretary Jeff Deist. ôIt
doesnít strengthen border control; it doesnít add new agents
or anything like that.ö

ôI think most Republican members are going to vote for it. I
donít think are there are that many House members [who  will
vote against it].ö

Gun Owners of America agree with this  concern.

ôIn  considering  this  bill,  the  U.S.  House will vote on
whether to empower the federal government to  determine  who
can get a driverís license û and under what conditions,ö the
group said in  a  statement.  ôSince  you  need  a  driverís
license to purchase a gun from a dealer, this will give [the
government] the expanded  ability  to  impose  even  greater
forms  of gun control û something which it has long coveted.
This will become even more apparent if an anti-gun  Democrat
like Hillary Clinton wins the presidency in 2008.ö

ôRon  is  very much against this bill,ö Deist added, echoing
concerns of gun owners. ôWe wouldnít characterize this as an
immigration  bill  at  all;  from  our  perspective  it does
nothing about immigration but rather is a national ID  bill.
We  liken  it  to  gun  laws  that  criminals ignore but law
abiding citizens obey.ö

Groups across the gamut of social and political  persuasions
express  concern  over  the  Patriot  Act II provision which
gives  the  Secretary  of  Homeland   Security   even   more
authority.  The  definition  of what is a terrorist and/or a
terrorist organization  is  very  broad  and  could  include
protesters,  political  groups,  and  anyone  the government
ôlabelsö as a terrorist.

The law will also apply  retroactively  to  activities  that
were legal at the time, but later were labeled ôterrorist.ö

One  source gave the following real life example: ôImagine I
donate to a grassroots political party started by a group of
average  Americans.  My  donation  is  legal and the groupís
activities are legal. Letís say 10 years from now this group
is  run  by  different  people and those people do something
deemed to be ôterrorism.ö  I  can  be  labeled  a  terrorist
because  10  years prior, I had donated to them, even though
it was legal at the time.ö


Some have stated that the only real reason for this type  of
law would be to deter from any political dissent.

The American Civil Liberties Union is incredibly troubled by
the implications of the proposed legislation,  deeming  this
act as an annulment of the entire Bill of Rights.

Sources  say that some of these Ďimmigrationí provisions are
what  held  up  the  intelligence  reform  bill  which  Rep.
Sensenbrenner  would  not bring to a vote late last year. In
an attempt to mollify Sensenbrenner, a promise was made that

HR 418 would be brought to the floor for  a  vote  early  in
2005.

One  aide  said  a  floor debate was scheduled between House
Democrats and House Republicans on the full HR 418  proposed
legislation   for   Thursday,   but   the  Republican  House
leadership  held  an  unannounced  closed  door  meeting  on
Wednesday to ôbringö the dissenting views ôback in line.ö

Congressman  Paulís  office,  however, says that this is not
the case.

ôI donít think thereís much pressure. I think  most  members
support it,ö Deist said. ôI donít get a sense at all thereís
an effort [afoot] to twist peopleís arms on  the  Republican
side.ö

National ID Cards Coming Up For A Vote This Week: Threats to
gun owners' privacy are a huge concern

Gun Owners of America |  February 9, 2005

The National ID card is back in the  news,  as  Congress  is
getting set once again to debate the issue.

You  will remember that late last year, Congress passed (and
the President signed) legislation which starts us  down  the
road  to a National ID card. In the name of preventing alien
terrorists from operating in  this  country,  the  so-called
Intelligence    Reform   bill   gave   federal   bureaucrats
unprecedented new powers to force  changes  in  state-issued
driver's  licenses  --  including, possibly, the addition of
computer chip technology that can facilitate the tracking of
all U.S. citizens.

Now,  the  House will be debating new legislation, H.R. 418,
that was recently introduced  by  Rep.  James  Sensenbrenner
(R-WI).  In  considering this bill, the U.S. House will vote
on whether to empower the federal  government  to  determine
who can get a driver's license -- and under what conditions.

Since  you  need a driver's license to purchase a gun from a
dealer, this will give BATFE the expanded ability to  impose
even  greater forms of gun control -- something which it has
long coveted. This will become  even  more  apparent  if  an
anti-gun  Democrat  like Hillary Clinton wins the presidency
in 2008.


H.R. 418 is, unfortunately, supported  by  many  Republicans
who  believe  that repealing our liberties will somehow make
us  "secure."  But  GOA  joined   a   large   coalition   of
citizen-activist  organizations  this  week in opposition to
H.R. 418. In a letter to  Congress,  the  coalition  stated:
Standardization   of   driver's   licenses   has  long  been
recognized as a bureaucratic back-door to implementation  of
a  national  ID card. With its required linking of databases
and ability of the Secretary of Homeland Security to require
a  prescribed  format, HR 418 takes us well along that road.
Concerns are further heightened when the bill fails to  even
provide  lip  service  to  privacy concerns, and proposes to
share all of our data on the driver's license database  with
Canada and Mexico.


Realizing  government's  tendency  towards mission creep, no
one should be surprised if this database  grows  to  contain
far more information than that which is relevant to driving.
HR 418 requires  that  the  database  shall  contain  "at  a
minimum,"  all information contained on the driver's license
as well as driving history. There is no limit to what  other
information  may  eventually be contained in the database --
something which should definitely concern gun owners.

H.R. 418 is being touted as a way of cleaning up some of the
problems  with  the  law that was enacted last December. But
this bill is still an attack on  states'  rights.  It  still
takes  us  down the road to a National ID card. And it would
still do nothing to keep real terrorists from  operating  in
our country.


ACTION:  Please  contact your Representative and urge him or
her to oppose H.R. 418. You can use the pre-written  message
below  and  send  it  as  an  e-mail  by  visiting  the  GOA
Legislative           Action            Center            at
http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm  (where  phone and fax
numbers are also available).

-----Pre-written letter-----

Dear Representative:

H.R.  418  would  give  the  federal  government  open-ended
authority  to  determine  who may and may not get a driver's
license -- and under what circumstances.

Since I need a driver's license to purchase  a  gun  from  a
dealer,  BATFE  would  finally have its long-coveted tool to
impose gun control on targeted groups -- particularly  under
a liberal anti-gun administration.

If  you believe in the Second Amendment, please vote against
this anti-gun monstrosity.